INTERNET IS SERIOUS BUSINESS
PART 2: SQUNQ (Bobby Holiday, Robert Wagman)
Introduction to Part 2
Xydexx, well known for his friendly wackiness and good humor1, somehow succeeded in making certain individuals (who constantly claim not to take anything on the internet seriously) take the internet too seriously.
Xydexx suggested if Something Awful Goons continued to instigate trouble at furry cons, it would eventually lead to violence. He later got bored with the whole thing and deleted his posts, but they were reposted by Squnq (Bobby Holiday, Robert Wagman), who claimed this was some sort of victory. Squnq later admitted he was putting his own peculiar spin on things to try to make Xydexx look bad.
Xydexx doesn't deny making these posts, and points out the irony of Something Awful Goons and their apologists getting their panties in a twist because of something he said on the internet. This is funny because they're the ones always whining about people taking the internet too seriously. The fact that they constantly (to this day!) go batshit insane over these posts of his is concrete proof that these guys can dish it out, but can't take it.
Xydexx has no problem making these posts public because these days he uses them as a sort of Internet Gullibility Test. In a nutshell, people who are gullible enough to believe Squnq's bullshit are people he's better off not associating with. This test never fails. Today, the ONLY person gullible enough to believe Xydexx has some sort of vendetta against Goons is Triggur.
Interestingly, Squnq agrees that Doodles taking pictures at the convention was going too far. He also claims the majority of Goons find behavior like that funny, but then inexplicably backpedals in the same response and says it's passé. In fact, aside from his paranoid delusions that Xydexx has some sort of vendetta against Goons, one wonders just what exactly Squnq is going on about.
The salient clue-by-fours issued by Xydexx are highlighted for your convenience.
This has already been debunked elsewhere, but for the record anyone who seriously thinks I support violence against Something Awful needs to have their head examined. –Xydexx 00:21, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
1 It is a well-documented fact that Xydexx traded his sense of humor in 2001 for some magic beans. Strangely enough, he still manages to laugh at himself—and sometimes even at jokes that are, y'know, actually funny.
 |  But if you didn't want your picture up? ![[info]](img/userinfo.gif){kind=small} xydexx2005-01-25 21:04 (link) |
Oh god no. Not TROLLS. That's it, shut down the fandom, some comedy website forums generated a few trolls who laugh at people that can't laugh at themselves.Y'know, people keep giving us this lame excuse that we can't laugh at ourselves. The point, which SA Goons and their apologists can't seem to get through their skulls, is this: YOU ARE NOT FUNNY I don't put much stock in the blame-the-victim "you're making yourself a target" argument, either. I'd probably find some appeal in that argument if I thought conformity was a virtue, but fortunately all that went out the window when I came out in 1988. -:) I notice the incident at Texas FurryCon got brought up as an example of how not to react to goons, and I must admit, sitting on goon's cars and preventing them from leaving until they signed something was pretty lame. The goons just laughed about that afterwards and it just showed them they have nothing to fear (although, I watched the video of the incident and the panic in that one goon's voice was pretty evident) from doing this again. What should have happened, IMHO, was that the furries should have surrounded the car and pelted it with rocks, or even dragged them out of the car and beaten the holy fuck out of them. It's one thing to tell goons "stop fucking with us," but, as the old saying goes, actions speak louder than words. So if that's what it takes, then that's what it takes, y'know? It's worthwhile to note the last time I suggested it's only a matter of time before Something Awful's antics led to someone getting beaten up, their response was along the lines of "HAW HAW HAW I'D LIKE TO SEE ONE OF THOSE HAMBEAST BEARDOS TRY IT!" and lots of flexing of internet muscles and such. I found this reaction curious, considering another thread on the forums at the time was from a goon bemoaning how he and his friend had unwisely mouthed off to a drunk guy and gotten his car windows kicked in as a result. But don't worry, no matter how much Something Awful goons instigate, furries would never resort to physical violence! We're so peaceful and loveable and carry around plushies and stuff! Well, actually, there was that time where someone stole a guy's plush otter "as a joke" at Confurence 8, and the guy beat the holy fuck out of him in retaliation, but I'm sure someone is bound to say there's no danger of anything like that happening to goons. Ohwell. At least I can take consolation in knowing when it does happen, I'll be first in line to say "I told you so." -:D Feel free to disregard all this advice as you have in the past. Hey, it's only the internet, right? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
|  Re: But if you didn't want your picture up? squnq 2005-01-25 21:04 (link) |
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To respond in kind, YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY IN YOUR BELIEF See, as long as the MAJORITY of people find these antics funny, the SA goons are going to continue with it. They don't care that furries find it unfunny. They care that the majority, their site viewers and tens of thousands of forums participants, do. And as long as furries continue to react with fear and panic over SA poking fun at them or having some fun at their expense, SA will continue to do it. The other large, organized fandoms have for the most part gotten over themselves and don't even blink when someone pokes fun at their stereotypes, but furries still go very vocally batshit over it. As for this whole "SOMEDAY SOMEONE WILL GET HURT AND HAW HAW THEY DESERVE IT I TOLD YOU SO" bandwagon I've noticed you on as the SA vs furry arguments continued to get more heated, hey, if it happens, it happens. But honestly, it won't. Nobody's tried to even assault Sibe (that I'm aware of), who's done more damage to furry and individuals within than SA in combination ever has. It won't for two reasons: One, litigous fear, as a good majority of furries are in the US where police are called and assault charges are laid for even poking someone in the chest with your finger, and two, internet mockery is very impersonal, very few people, furries included, can project their feelings they express over the internet into real life. Feeling angry at someone saying things on the internet does not usually translate into wanting to punch them in the face IRL, the way it would if those same things were being said directly to someone's face. It's been happening for four years now. Noone's been punched out yet and no charges have been laid. I'm still waiting. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Mm-hm. xydexx 2005-01-25 21:04 (link) |
And as long as furries continue to react with fear and panic over SA poking fun at them or having some fun at their expense, SA will continue to do it.Which is why furries should stop reacting with fear and panic, and start reacting with blanket parties for goons to show up at furry cons. -:) As you said, this has been happening for four years. What you don't mention is how the goons have escalated it from mere mockery on their own website, to going out and disrupting furry communities online, to attending furry conventions and causing trouble there. Obviously, the "ignore them and they'll go away" tactic hasn't worked because they keep instigating more and more shit with us. So maybe what needs to happen is for two-faced SA Furs like doodlesthegreat to be called on the carpet more often. Maybe a few goons need to get sent back to the forums with their noses bloodied to drive the point home. More likely, though, the goons would just go totally batshit over furries some more. I mean, they were gonna do that anyway, y'know? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| You're not funny, you're tiresome. xydexx 2005-01-25 21:04 (link) |
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You're right, it has been happening for four years now. Goons have
escalated this from mocking furries on Something Awful, to disrupting
furry communities online, to showing up at furry conventions to start
trouble. Anyone who says "ignore them and they'll go away" at this point is lying, because clearly goons are still going totally batshit over furries after four years even though everyone else thinks your comedy gold is passé. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Re: You're not funny, you're tiresome. squnq 2005-01-25 23:27 (link) |
| They
showed up at one con. I was at AC and MFF last year. No SA folks
present. A rumor of "goons running around taking photos" floated around
MFF, but no photos or mention of MFF occured on SA during or after the
con. And no reports of SA folks showing up at FC occured either, aside
from Doodles' posting of some photos he took, which didn't disrupt the
con any. The 30,000 people who have paid 10 dollars to use SA's forums (some of whom have paid the 10 dollars over and over again even after being banned) would disagree with your feeling that their humor is "passé". So would the over 100,000 readers the SA main website has. So would the millions of people who tune in to reality TV shows where people are humiliated for money. People like watching others be poked fun at and mocked, because it disconnects them from their own problems and weaknesses. That is how people are, many furries included. You can blame that on the decay of society, but a whole library of books could be written debating that issue and it isn't prudent to debate it here. However, you do not understand SA's forums as you are not a member there that I know of. I have actually moderated their forums, therefore I have a greater understanding of how they work than you or most people discussing the issue do. Comedy on SA has a short lifespan. Catchphrases and posting trends on their forums become quickly run into the ground and go from being hilarious to bannable in a span of mere months. The forums are groupthink, it's like a school of fish in nature. The person who posted the "Fur and loathing in Texas" thread on SA has been permanently banned from the forums for unrelated reasons, mostly his being a complete douche to other forumers. People posting "LOL LOOK AT THIS FURRY" threads these days tend to get mocked for retreading old material, and their threads are sent off to the gas chamber (SA's locked "shit thread forum"). So that's why goons aren't showing up at cons right now. The material is old, and they know that. Occasionally something new and unheard of comes along, and it's laughed at, and then they move on. There's been rather limited "goon activity" in furry of late, if you haven't noticed. Most of the "trouble" in furry is being caused by furries themselves. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Re: You're not funny, you're tiresome. squnq 2005-01-25 23:38 (link) |
| Oh,
and as for "two faced SA furs like Doodles", to quote from your more
lengthy comment which you deleted for whatever reason, it is my opinion
that going to the furry con to gather material for posting on SA is
taking it too far, the majority of online mockery of furries stems from
photos and art which is posted online by said furries, publically
viewable, for anyone to look at. By posting their pictures and art
online, they are giving people full permission to mock them. You don't
post art in an art gallery then whine if critics say it's crap. You of all people are fully aware that if you hang your fetishes out in plain view for the world to see, that some people will voice their negative opinions on them. And you're fully aware of how easy it is to ignore such opinions and not be conformist in the face of adversity. However, a majority of furries lack that thought process. Do you see me making any attempt to hide the fact that I draw gay furry spooge porn despite being an "SA fur"? I post it publically in my livejournal, for christ's sake. (Reply to this) (Parent) |
| Wow! Tiresome and dishonest, too! xydexx 2005-01-25 21:04 (link) |
They showed up at one con.They've shown up at Texas FurCon, Feral, Anthrocon, and Further Confusion. That makes four cons, not one. I was at AC and MFF last year. No SA folks present.I have a picture of goldenzoltan at Anthrocon that says otherwise. The 30,000 people who have paid 10 dollars to use SA's forums (some of whom have paid the 10 dollars over and over again even after being banned) would disagree with your feeling that their humor is "passé".And yet... People posting "LOL LOOK AT THIS FURRY" threads these days tend to get mocked for retreading old material, and their threads are sent off to the gas chamber (SA's locked "shit thread forum").Wait, I'm confused! I thought you said mocking furries wasn't passé? So that's why goons aren't showing up at cons right now.Uh-huh. How did TheNewMeat like Further Confusion 2005? Did he get any funny videotape of the event, or was that another goon? Who was his partner in crime? The material is old, and they know that.Oh, okay, I get it. It's old, but it isn't passé. Thanks for clarifying that... There's been rather limited "goon activity" in furry of late, if you haven't noticed.You should learn to be more honest. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Re: Wow! Tiresome and dishonest, too! squnq 2005-01-27 01:17 (link) |
| GoldenZoltan is a furry. I was at AC 2K4 and noone from SA showed up other than the "SAfurs", myself included. Since we're all furries, the point is moot. We partied and drank a lot, and all bought badges and had a good time. Can't say anything about Feral since I wasn't there. Noone went to FC. The 30,000 people who have paid 10 dollars to use SA's forums (some of whom have paid the 10 dollars over and over again even after being banned) would disagree with your feeling that their humor is "passé". "Their humor" referred to all of their brand of comedy including mocking of others, not just mocking of furries. Furry subjects on SA are currently old news. Mockery of others isn't and never will be. It's like I've said many times - they get bored and move on to other things. Your original attacks were against SA's brand of humor in general, not specifically directed at SA's mockery of furries. TheNewMeat is not from SA. They are from CYD. There is no user on SA named "TheNewMeat" or "The New Meat". Produce an SA forums thread link please. Back up your attacks with actual evidence. Running a search on the term "further confusion" returns zero results on SA related to furry at any time this year. Running a search on "furry" returns no results connected to FC aside from Doodles' thread. But you don't have an SA account so you can't actually check, you're just assuming, which you're real good at, I know. So here, I'll save you the 10 bucks and link you to every single SA forums thread actually about furries in the main General Bullshit forum which matched the term "furry" that was posted in since January 10. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showth http://forums.somethingawful.com/showth http://forums.somethingawful.com/showth http://forums.somethingawful.com/showth http://forums.somethingawful.com/showth http://forums.somethingawful.com/showth http://forums.somethingawful.com/showth http://forums.somethingawful.com/showth http://forums.somethingawful.com/showth http://forums.somethingawful.com/showth http://forums.somethingawful.com/showth You should learn to read. But it's okay, I can understand how frustrated you are, being the target of endless mockery from both furries and SA for the last 7 years does that to a guy. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| what xydexx 2005-01-25 21:04 (link) |
| tl;dr (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Re: You're not funny, you're tiresome. xydexx 2005-01-25 21:04 (link) |
By posting their pictures and art online, they are giving people full permission to mock them.By showing up at our conventions to instigate trouble, goons are giving us full permission to treat them with the exact same courtesy as they've shown us. Fair's fair. Free speech is a two-way street. Here's the interesting thing, though: For all the shit goons delight in dishing out, it amazes me how they crumple like a used Kleenex with boogers and tears and vomit mashed into it when someone gives them a taste of their own medicine. It's all a Big Joke until it's their ox that's getting gored. There's your real comedy gold. Isn't it funny how the goons who criticize us for taking the internet too seriously go completely batshit when they read something furries say on the internet that upsets them? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
|  Re: what squnq 2005-01-30 20:34 (link) |
| Geez, I must have made a real good point in order to get Xydexx to delete every single one of his posts in this thread. Keep on proving me right. If you're scared to stand by your words because I might prove you wrong, don't step up to the plate. That goes for any "furry white knights" who want to stand up and defend the fandom from the evil forces of SA without knowing a goddamn thing about what they're talking about. Start working on fixing the fandom before worrying about fixing its critics. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Stop taking the internet so seriously. xydexx 2005-01-25 21:04 (link) |
Geez, I must have made a real good point in order to get Xydexx to delete every single one of his posts in this thread.Yeah, I'll let you get the last word and proclaim yourself the winner if it makes you feel better, dearie. All it really proves, however, is this: I spent my weekend hanging out with friends at a party, playing Taiko and DDR, meeting new people, sledding down the hill in my backyard on an inflatable whale (oooh!), and watching movies with my boyfriend, and you spent your weekend arguing on the internet. Congratulations! Enjoy your victory! A WINNAR IS YUO! -:D (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
 |  Re: Stop taking the internet so seriously. squnq 2005-01-31 17:55 (link) |
I spent my weekend hanging out with friends at a party, playing Taiko and DDR, meeting new people, sledding down the hill in my backyard on an inflatable whale (oooh!), and watching movies with my boyfriend, and If you consider spending about a half hour out of 5 days to be "investing a lot of time", then so did you, sweetheart. :) Jaunary 25-27 wasn't a "weekend", either, but that's semantics. I'm sure you had lots of fun during the week too, as did I. I'm actually amazed you've held this "I had fun all day while you were arguing" gambit back as long as you had, you usually use it by the second reply. You replied in length to every one of my posts, so if I'm a "loser", so are you. Deleting them doesn't make you "less of a loser", it just makes you look like someone who can't stand by their words and tries to use the "HA HA I DIDN'T MEAN ANY OF THAT I WAS JUST TROLLING" defense when their arguments are dissected and lit on fire by someone better educated on the issue. Good try, but you're not as good at this as I am, as evidenced above. Keep practicing, though. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Re: Stop taking the internet so seriously. xydexx 2005-01-25 21:04 (link) |
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You are a steaming dollop of condiments and if you want to have a
serious discussion about this you shouldn't tell me not to take the
internet seriously, you lame excuse for a hornet's crispy gangplank. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
SUMMARY
So does Xydexx support violence at furry cons? No, of course not. That's just stupid. What he does support is these guys getting new—preferably funnier—material instead of parroting the same tiresome crap like they always do.
[Part 1: Doodles] - Part 2: Squnq - [Part 3: Triggur]